Always remember

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Very nice!
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Very nice meme.
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You're quite welcome. I've already told you my story of why I'll always remember.
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Oh yeah it sucks it happened during what was supposed to be celebration for y'all.
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It just means I vividly remember my wedding, and the days after, the last days of a more normal world if that makes sense. We still had a good honeymoon but felt guilty about it.
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I'm glad you were able to still have fun. I hadn't met my husband yet. Did almost to the day a year later though. He was in fort Polk for some training when it happened. I was at work at Kinko's.
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Yes one of those events where people remember exactly where they were at the time.
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Stop getting high and make a meme
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Ok!
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At least my mom is conscious of her weight! Ohhhhhhh!
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Rofl!
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Yeah sorry that's on your 9/11 meme. I was wondering if you'd see it. That was late last night. He started it but it didn't last long....
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It's ok he did it to me too. He's just a kid. But what you said was hilarious. If you would've had a son, he'd be one hell of a smartass :)
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Thanks. I don't think he was ready, my response with the unconscious lady came about a minute after his post. I was on point at the time.
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Yeah it was perfect lol
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Like I've said, I don't mind going back and forth if it's in good fun.
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Seriously though I wanted girls, and my 12 year old is a pretty good comindienne in the making. Kid's pretty funny.
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That's good that she's got your sense of humor! My 12 year old is the biggest smartass sometimes lol.
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Thanks, sounds like the 12 year old got yours. It's funny but can be frustrating sometimes. I've been angry and wanting to laugh at the same time.
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Oh yeah I've had to walk away so they couldn't see me start to laugh. And we call him mustache because he has some peach fuzz now.
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That's hilarious. I was inspired, I have another nickname meme today. These I made up, nobody I know/knew.
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I'll be looking for it! :)
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Unless you'd been treated like a mushroom your WHOLE LIFE....and so had never really understood what the ACTUAL TRAGEDY was...
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Except that they DIDN'T bring fascism to the world, and the people who attacked us on 9/11/2001 weren't as concerned about what the CIA did on 9/11/1973.
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Same people did BOTH hitz guy....oh and look up the Gehlen Network that you operations directorate.
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No, they didn't, and actually the Gehlen Network wasn't involved in either one!
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You must be thinking of "1redshoe" and "AnotherWorldView."
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You know who I am, guy. G-Unit_and_a_million_integers. Is acting like he's an authority on something here... So I respond to him when notified. He is NOT me. Frankly I get bored...but sometimes it is good to know what STATE OF THE ART Disinformation sounds like...
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The CIA'S DIRECTORATE of OPERATIONS was clearly involved in both - AND, THAT IS, the Gehlen NETWORK. I suppose that NEXT you'll claim that they had no involvement in "the COCAINE COUP" in Bolivia (overseen by NAZI/CIA ASSET Klaus Barbi), either.

Please give me some information from your background about why you would be able to speak intelligently upon matters which you clearly haven't done the FIRST bit of research upon...

Ever seen the movie "The ODESSA FILE"? True story. Ever heard of the Colonia Dignidad, in Chile? What kind of folkz live there?

Really - somewhere else you were spewing about how I wouldn't recognize SS if they were marching down the block.

The SCOPE iz magnified usually...how would I miss such Big, STUPID targets...?

And you...don't seem to know that Nazis of various stripes talk...

(Our allies) the World Anti-Communist League had quite a few. They hold public meetings....Then theres the GOP's "ETHNIC OUTREACH" unit. Got busted under HW for having real Nazi Lithuanians as I recall ..hard to find a cite now online...hard copy I have somewhere...but really how much work do I need to do to impress YOU. So far.... you are the most BASIC of B**ches (in Lohanthony's idiom).
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Crackpot, nobody said we didn't work with ex-Nazis to find commies, and send some of them to South America. But the issue with Chile was Allende's communist leanings, which were destroying the economy of the country, and they had shit to do with the 9/11 attacks. By the time Osama Bin Laden was conceiving the 9/11 attacks, those old Nazis were all dead.
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Ok.... so, you ARE a fascist apologist.

Allende was a GRADUATE of the School of the Americas(Ft. Benning - now WHISC)...not a Commie - but he did have Socialists in his Gov't (in other countries people get to choose their leaders - until you guys object, apparently) because he had a Gov't Representative of the people who made up his populace. Commies were in the streets as they were (and are) throughout Latin America. But they were no threat , in or out of Gov't.

Nixon and the CIA destroyed his economy - any GOOD historian can show you the Diplomatic cables that prove this. Try Peter Kornbluh at the Nat'l Security Archive. Super well established as a fact. We do that shit all the time. CREATE a problem...then whip up a crowd into a frenzy....overthrow in the confusion - Viola POPULAR UPRISING....like the Bay of Pigs.

And EX-NAZI - how do you certify those? Like we did for Arthur Rudolphs? Fritz Kraemer? Seems like a lifetime position and stance, to me...you?

And you're totally full of shit - so how does that make ME - a JOURNALIST of many years, a HISTORIAN and a respected RESEARCHER - into a CRACKPOT?

Old Nazis do die...but their KIDS grow up and replace them - and occasionally they recruit someone NEW...like yourself. Sure the Nazis that PRESCOTT BUSH worked for during and before WWII undeniably, are now dead...but the offspring are still advancing the agenda. HW and W both putting in prodigious service, to the fascist cause, in their moment.

Hey where did all of that Nazi LOOT goto - you know ...Martin Boormann and the ODESSA warchest...? Invested in Wall Street, yet? Vivendi/NBC/UNIVERSAL couldn't be a part of that....could they?

But, Please... stop talking about me (no, REALLY)...and start telling me what you're about (I'm going to assume you are self aware enough for the exercise). And why it is, that you hold all of your RECEIVED WISDOM to be so sacrosanct...?
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I'm not a fascist at all! You're an enemy propagandist. Allende was a friend of Cuba, and was trying to remake the country into a Cuban puppet. The people of Chile turned against him, but the right-wing military made an even bigger mess.

"We do that shit all the time. CREATE a problem...then whip up a crowd into a frenzy....overthrow in the confusion - Viola POPULAR UPRISING....like the Bay of Pigs."
Strictly an assumption by people like you. Speaking of the Bay of Pigs, Fidel terrorized the country with massive purges against anyone and anything that they thought was connected to the Batista Regime even if they weren't. This included loyal members of his commie revolution. And Havana wanted the same thing for the rest of the third world. Not everything that goes on in the world is manufactured by the US.

"so how does that make ME - a JOURNALIST of many years, a HISTORIAN and a respected RESEARCHER - into a CRACKPOT?"
Your inside jobby jobber accusations make you full of shit, and therefore your claims of being a "journalist." a "historian," and a "researcher" have no merit.

"Sure the Nazis that PRESCOTT BUSH worked for during and before WWII undeniably, are now dead"
STOP RIGHT THERE. Prescott Bush only invested in a business in Germany run by a member of the Nazi party BEFORE they rose to power, who happened to leave both the country and the party after their rampage during Kristallnacht. Nothing that the current Bush's do had anything to do with any fascists causes. Not even your cockamamie ideas about the Odessa controlling Wall Street or the media.
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That' bullshit on Chile is straight outta NIXON'S propaganda play book. 0 evidence to support it - because there is none. Nixon brought Nazis in on Long Island - so like him YOU ARE A NAZI COLLABORATOR. How you like your Tar AND Feathers? Hot,... I hope.

So of course you don't want to acknowledge that NAZI investment capital has anything to do with YOUR Corporatist nightmare....And CORPORATISM is what we practice here (a SYNONYM for Fascism avcording to Mussolini - which is why I don't like the Clinton DLC/types...smiling fascists).

Fidel didn't TERRORIZE anyone. Battista's MURDERERS AND TORTURERS got fair trials by THEIR PEERS (not their employers back in DC), and righteous sentences. Respect the work of their courts - or find some specific error. Otherwise...just sour grapes from a triggered little snowflake, who HATES watching authoritarians PAY FOR THEIR CRIMES.

So reporters, historians, and researchers lose their credibility because they disagree with .... YOU? ...The Governments IMPOSSIBLE fantasy story?

That's a high bar - or a VERY LOW ONE. So who ya like? Dan Rather waiting for ORDERSS from W? Or did telling the TRUE STORY about W's "Service" - AWOL from Protecting the skies of Houston from Viet Cong.... - blow his Credibility. True he got Hooked by a Fake Document (created by ROVE) - but the story was never challenged - except by evidence-less blanket denial, in the face of a mountain of evidence and testimony. Sort of like you and the official story....

Prescott Bush was FAR MORE involved in fascism than you know -apparently.

"WALKER" - who does that name belong to - that their family should so honor him by naming their children thusly...do you even KNOW?
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No, YOUR BULLSHIT is out of the commie propaganda playbook!

"Nixon brought Nazis in on Long Island - so like him YOU ARE A NAZI COLLABORATOR."
How big of a pile of shit did you have to rip from your ass to come up with that one?!

"Fidel didn't TERRORIZE anyone."
An ex-Cuban rebel living in the Tampa Bay area would disagree with you on that, not to mention everyone who has been fleeing Cuba since 1959!

"So reporters, historians, and researchers lose their credibility because they disagree with .... YOU?"
No, just the ones who lie for America's enemies.

"Or did telling the TRUE STORY about W's "Service" - AWOL from Protecting the skies of Houston from Viet Cong.... - blow his Credibility."
That's not a true story. That's a false accusation made by the left-wing who hated him so much. Another example would be people like Robert Scheer lying for Cuba, North Vietnam and North Korea, or on the right, people like Charles Reese lying for every enemy of America since the Civil War.

"Prescott Bush was FAR MORE involved in fascism than you know -apparently."
Wrong again. The only thing he was involved in is the business of a former Nazi.
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You keep ranting and raving about all reporters being so credible, but do you know who else claimed to be a reporter? This asshole:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/brooklyn-man-harassed-family-slain-newtown-teacher-article-1.2430266

If he's a reporter, than Santa Claus delivers toys from the North Pole. That'd be like me setting up a YouTube Channel, claiming to be a reporter, and getting in Jimmy Carter's face and accusing him of hiding the existence of Bigfooot! Or better yet, that moron who accused Buzz Aldrin of faking the Moon Landing.
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Just to show it's not just Americans who were affected by this :)
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:)
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:)
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Never forget even though i wasnt born yet
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Oh God thanks for making me feel old AF lol
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Not really but you're as much a smartass as me so just be careful!
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Im such a smartass, i get yelled constantly for it in serious situations, in 7th grade a teacher was talking about school shootings and how you making noises could cause lots of death then asked how would you feel? I responded, I wouldn't, I'd be dead
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Lmao ok well I get your humor but watch out. These schools and teachers take everything f**king serious now like you are a terrorist! My kid was pretending like cowboys and Indians whatever and got put in detention!
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Pfft! I pretended americans vs soviets
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Lol well now you're just asking for it
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I got yelled at, so me and my friends decided to climb to the highest point and jump down, then we got
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Same here :)
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It didn't work, obviously. All religions are equal and should be accepted by all other religions. It's that simple.
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Awesome and I love that song
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How about this one?
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I barely saw this today... Sorry for being late>>>
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The blast points @ WTC7 were EVEN more suspicious....

And we LOST ALL the EVIDENCE for the ENRON and GLOBAL CROSSING Investigations too....such a shame...
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The only "blast points" were where the planes crashed through the towers, and ENRON was still convicted!
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Ok. Who WENT TO F**KING PRISON...then? If you please...I'D like a list of NAMES of EXECUTIVES... Good luck with that.

And a conviction MINUS your most damning evidence, is worth what you get from it....So - SHOW ME "WINNING!!!!".

And don't "FORGET" that the INITIAL "BLAST POINT" @ the Pentagon (before the upper part collapses - the little ROUND HOLE visible in the first photos - smaller than the FUSELAGE that they say, went through it - forget about the wings)...And in by the last ring....it's a MUCH smaller hole.... It looks SUSPICIOUSLY like a CRUISE MISSILE strike, on a hardened target....

And please explain where the FEW small fires in building #7 came from....It WASN'T hit by any airplanes....or WHY it collapsed into it's OWN FOOTPRINT that afternoon... Right AFTER a BBC journalist announced that it had ALREADY happened.... That was the 3rd STEEL FRAMED building in ALL of HUMAN HISTORY - to collapse because of fire - the other 2 happening that sake mornning.

Please melt - or EVEN significantly weaken some structural steel with Jet fuel for me, too....without a BLAST FURNACE....it WON'T happen.

Please do enlighten us ALL.
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Try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who BRAGGED about how he orchestrated the 9/11 attacks for Osama Bin Laden, and actually wanted to make it MORE DESTRUCTIVE.

" the little ROUND HOLE visible in the first photos - smaller than the FUSELAGE that they say, went through it -":
There's another lie, right there.

"And please explain where the FEW small fires in building #7 came from"
Think again;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Abcnews-wtc7damage.jpg
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"or WHY it collapsed into it's OWN FOOTPRINT that afternoon... "
Uhh, no. That didn't happen. It collapsed onto other buildings as well.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Verizon_building_damage2.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Verizon_building_damage3.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fiterman_hall_damage.jpg
Only in the collective imaginations of the 9/11 conspiracy cults are surrounding buildings part of the footprints of any of the WTC buildings.

"That was the 3rd STEEL FRAMED building in ALL of HUMAN HISTORY - to collapse because of fire"
I suggest you re-examine your history.
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Go ahead. Show me another steel fram building collapse.

Repeating the LIES that you were FED - DOESN'T MAKE THEM ANY TRUER.
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Oh, have I got plenty for you:
http://www.robinsonlibrary.com/america/uslocal/northwest/illinois/chicago/mccormick.htm

https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/tr-097.pdf

http://www.debunking911.com/firsttime.htm

http://devastatingdisasters.com/kader-doll-factory-fire-1993/

You're the one being fed the lies, not me!
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Answer is in the other spot, where you wrote this. Proof of an INDUSTRY of DENIAL and cover-up - as far as the "debunking" site.

The building collapses above were not steel frame, but ROOF collapses - on short Wide structures - not steel framed skyscrapers. Non Seqitors/irrelevancies in the debate.
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There was no "industry cover up," and the denial comes from you fools in the so-called "9/11 truth" cults. Steel can and has collapsed from fire both before and after 9/11. The only thing unique about Building 7 was that the fire from that was caused by the falling, burning debris of tower one.
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Sigh...there is NO MONEY...in telling THE TRUTH (unless that JUST SO HAPPENS to coincidentally be popular or profitable with the Military/Intelligence-Corporate - Complex, and even then, look wherrr the bosses want you to look...not at the relevant history or inconvenient facts. That's just the reality of business. Sure start your own podcast - but youtube just cut off the spigot from the well...Surely you must know what I'm talking about - from your side of the political divide, you too, are probably beyond where the gatekeepers on the right would like. ).

I was a member of a group of researchers...we peer-reviewed each other and the rest of what you think of as a cult. Of course, cults don't allow that. No leader of this movement - tho' Kyle Hence and some others tried and GOT PROMOTED BY CNN and FOX as being so. But there was no 1 cohesive mass or grouping that dominated. Like everywhere else in America - people grouped with their own tendency. Right-wingers liked Dave Von Kliest and his wife (awful IMHO). But everyone has their prefered researchers and ideology so there were lots of choices from which to take the PRO position in the "9/11 Truth" debate. The CON side us more monolithic - because it is WELL PAID for and mostly top-down - the efforts of ypurself and the snit notwithstanding.

My one-time colleague Amy Goidman gave the left fits on the subject by refusing for years to address it and then, quite poorly. Other left media had
WELL-KNOWN SPOOKS like IAN MASTERS and the lesser known Marc Couper of RadioNation fighting against ANY sort of objective empirical discussion of the events of concern - railing both on-air and OFF - long before there was enough evidence to come to ANY kind of conclusion, hours and days - and it NEVER CHANGED.

Popular Mechanics has CondeNast money...and they still didn't convince anybody - save perhaps, thoae that like yourself, were bound and determined from the first moment to believe and PROMOTE the official story - no matter how many times it changes.

Do you realize what the polling on the subject was and is? Cause at one point Zogby did one for Hence and company. 3/4's of New Yorkers thought that a cover-up had occurred and they weren't getting the whole story - I forget the EXACT wording. Check with HIM, if curious. But 50% (or better) was the number on believing in an 'Inside Job' (LIHOP/MIHOP). So please respect the opinion of that many people - EVEN if you disagree. I hate fascists and fascism..U ok.
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So we have STATEMENTS produced BY TORTURE....From a guy who may not know the whole picture...ever heard of "the Little Drummer Girl"? Sometimes spies are kept in the dark about who they are REALLY working for...

If Osama gets encrypted instructions from Cheney - then gives marching orders to KSM, without telling him who HE works for...then KSM may have been telling the truth - and still been painting an inaccurate picture of things, unintentionally.

But torture is used to produce the testimony YOU WANT - not the truth per se....or why did it take more than 100 sessions to get that?

"There's another lie, right there." How so?
In the first photos after the attack...the smoking hole is WAAAYYyy to small to fit a 757 - then the surrounding brickwork collapses....STILL TOO SMALL FOR THE WINGS....Where is the wreckage and luggage? I saw the front wheel from a MUCH small aircraft and an innermost hole that is about 6' in diameter or less. You got BETTER evidence? Spill.

The Hotel and Gas station across the street both had cameras pointed towards the impact site. The FBI collected that evidence MINUTES after the event. Where is that footage? High speed (1000+ fps) cameras ALL over the Pentagon - we've got 4 framez that DON'T show a 757. Why Not?

"http://www.robinsonlibrary.com/america/uslocal/northwest/illinois/chicago/mccormick.htm"

Roof Collapse - Convention Hall... Not a STEEL FRAMED Skyscraper. Not analagous AT ALL.

https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/tr-097.pdf

Equally non-analogous. And written YEARS AFTER the fact - when the no steel buildings claim originated...that report is by HOMELAND SECURITY - Clearly done AFTER 9/11. I don't believe it says what you think...but even if it did - it was UNKNOWN at the time.

By Contrast - the First InterState Bank Building here in LA burned MUCH longer and was more fully involved in the fire...no collapse - just a frame left.

The WTC 1and 2 buildings had a unique construction technique its true...but the CENTER COLUMNS were solid. They should have been left standing - like the spindle once the record drops down onto the turn table...instead, flatbed sized pieces - with melted edges.

Simply sticking your fingers in your ears isn't convincing to me...
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The statements were made BEFORE he was captured and tortured. Also, Osama and his goons never got shit from Bush, Cheney, or anyone else. And you're denial that steel framed buildings and other structures can collapse from fire makes you a blithering idiot! It doesn't matter that the other buildings weren't all skyscrapers.

"In the first photos after the attack...the smoking hole is WAAAYYyy to small to fit a 757"
No it isn't. It's simply the only holes your twoof-cult leaders show you. It was actually larger and deeper than what they want you to believe.

"Where is the wreckage and luggage?"
All over the grounds of the crash site.

" we've got 4 framez that DON'T show a 757. Why Not?"
But they DO show it. You people just like to PRETEND they don't!

"The WTC 1and 2 buildings had a unique construction technique its true...but the CENTER COLUMNS were solid."
No they weren't. They were simply stronger than the rest of it, and if you pay attention to the footage of the collapse, you'd see that they collapse after the rest of the building did. There were also no "melted edges."



"Simply sticking your fingers in your ears isn't convincing to me"
Then you people should quit doing that. You always claim you're "just asking questions," then repeat the same questions over and over after they've been answered over and over. That's because you don't LIKE the answers, because they don't fit in with the collective mindset of your agenda.
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Show me what you're babbling about. You have access to sources and photos that I don't? Must be a perk of working for 'em.

Because there is NO CULT. Hard to call it 1 movement even. I compared and contrasted researchers AND research as broadcaster - meaning I audited a WIDE variety of sources- starting with the photos and LIVE TV I watched when it happened. Sounds like you're calling me a liar (per se libel against a journalist - meaning a good cause of action...do you want me to come find you? Cause that's a good excuse to do so.). Well, I say that YOU are.

http://www.cryptogon.com/docs/Introducing%20the%20amazing%20Penta-Lawn%202000!%20(9-11).htm

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/killtown/penta_lawn.htm

Used to be cute little animation about the pentalawn...lost to the memoryhole of the web, seemingly - unless you can find a link.

Think GROUND EFFECT. These guys got kicked out of flight school...right?
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There's no f**king babbling here asshole! Your propaganda poster straight out of Thierry Meyssan's psychotic delusions, and for the record, "Killtown" is just another gullible follower of that commie sympathizing dickehad! Also,."911research.NUT" is PHONY research, which is RUN by the cult you pretend doesn't exist!
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Jim Hoffman is a cypher...true. He dissppointed me personally. That said...hard to argue with his EARLIEST work - even tho' He NIW DOES. But he works in an NSA funded lab at Lawrence Berkerly labs last time we spoke...(10+ years ago).

Meyssan has problems sure. But math is harf to argue with. I FOUND THISE PHOTOS with a QUICK WEB SEARCH. My library/research/books aren't digitized - you want BEST EVIDENCE...waste less of my time with bigus objections. I find the Pop mechaniques and debunk site SHADY and Disingenuous. As I have PREVIIOUSLY wasted time looking at them...I'm not chasing your links.

The best researchers are prople that you never GET to hear about. So the strawmen you are familiar with are representative of SOMETHING (INTEL honeypots/sheepdipping) - just nit the bulk if intelligent thought on the subject.

Not my FIRST choice...but a good all around academic and CREDIBLE guy - is David Ray Griffin. Why do you HATE on him...(Sarcasm lock on)I'm REALLY INTERESTED in your evaluation, based on your review of the available evidence, and previously demonstrated savvy.. (Sarcasm lock off)
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"9/11 research.net" is PHONY research run by one of the twoofer cults you THINK doesn't exist! "Killtown" is a lying imbecile and a gullible follower of that commie French cult leader Thierry Meyssan, who also influenced you to make that bullshit poster.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911-myths-pentagon/

http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

And some of those even come from your idiotic conspiracy propaganda sites like "Rense.net."
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Yes it did
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PLEASE CHECK OUT MY MEMES AND STREAMS!!!!!!!!!
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Jk. Your memes a cool. Keep it up :D
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We shall never forget...
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#Neverforget
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I was only two months old :D
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I remember that Dick Cheney changed our air defense protocols - so that HE and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs were in charge of our air defense response...not NORAD....Wonder why he did that?
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Because he didn't, and that was a lie made up by the 9/11 conspiracy industry.
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Induztry? Where do I collect my paycheck?

No...The CONSPIRACY INDUSTRY has ALREADY Sold you a bill of goods it would seem. Just ths LEAST PLAUSIBLE of ALL POSSIBLE CONSPIRACIES....the one where a guy in an Afghan Cave TURNS OFF the SAMs @ the WH and PENTAGON...And times his attack with @ least 7 SECRET WARGAMES - games so secret that you didn't realize that Condi Rice HAD TO BE LYING TO YOU - When she said..."we never thought that....planes into buildings...like that." As NSA she would HAVE to have been briefed.

One of them (a Na[zi]t'l Reconnaissance Office exercise) involving a computer simulation - of PLANES FLYING INTO BUILDINGS - was referred to by DC ATC -when he asks if that plane is real or simulation.

I saw the EVIDENCE. The actual changes were made between like Feb-April (I want to say - I forget the DATE on the DOCUMENT which I read in like 2002-3
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Your BRAIN is clearly the paycheck. Nobody in any Afghan caves turned off any SAMs, which in fact DON'T EXIST at the White House or Pentagon. The war games that you refer to had nothing to do with anything happened on 9/11. If anyone was lying it's people like Michael Moore who lied about what Condi Rice said on 9/11!

What you saw in 2002-2003 was NOT evidence. It was enemy propaganda. THIS is the truth:
http://www.911myths.com/html/cheney_in_charge_of_norad.html
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Yeah....I'm sure that your DEBUNKING site is legit...
I Didn't ACTUALLY read the changes myself....

Would you prefer a NYT and WSJ approved journalist's word? I can direct you... He was ALSO an eyewitness...maybe YOU have some intellectual curiousity, or questionz of your own?

And what do you make if Ben-Veniste's assertion that the PENTAGON withheld ALL information about Operation Able Danger, from the Bullshit Commission that Bush convened? Does that change anything?

"Enemy Propaganda"? Who are your enemies? Americans who don't implicitly trust the statements of Proven Liars? Cause that's who says that...not just the folks on the receiving end of your ILLEGAL wars of AGGRESSION.
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People like you who accuse America of "illegal wars of aggression" and lie about 9/11 are as much of our enemies as Al-Qaeda, the Hezbollah, Hamas, and ISIS!
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So .... INTERNATIONAL LAW experts are your enemy?

http://masoncreations.com/Black%20History%202011/Period%207%20-%20Black%20History%20Website/Reginald%20Payne/Black%20History%202%20Template/Martin%20Luther%20King.html

(That's a random page from a TEACHER - found searching for the photo here and several others. The name intrigued me, mostly. Seems Legit. But I know the Right Honorable and WORSHIPFUL Rev. James A. Lawson....a Teacher of non-violence and a friend/mentor to Dr. King....so you want better I can get get. Try - BEYOND Vietnam ... The speech from the Riverside church that got him shot....or the "Letter From the Birnmingham Jail".)

And then there's this guy...

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/06/17/professor-francis-boyle-impeachment-bush-obama/

You got a lot of enemies.... Whew...this may take a while....send DiCaprio around with my drink....and I'll find more good folks for you to hate on....

The LAW is JUSTICE....not what you say it SHOULD be - for your benefit. As societies do that it is sometimes "LEGAL"....but NEVER LAWFUL.
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Did you know the "aggression" they accused us of actually came from the commie thugs we were fighting against? Also, the UN approved of the 16th Parallel to protect South Vietnam from communist aggression. So there was nothing illegal about our attempts to repel that aggression. North Vietnam also invaded Laos, and backed both the Pathet Lao and Khmer Rouge.

MLK opposed our involvement in Vietnam because he opposed war in general, as did most of the civil rights movement. He didn't have too much sympathy for Hanoi either.

"And then there's this guy..."
Yes, another conspiracy freak cult guru.
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Not a SINGLE truth in ANY of the clauses on MLK. He opposed Violence as a means of solving things - (NON-VIOLENCE), not just war. The Civil Rights movement MOSTLY abandoned him, when he turned to face THAT illegal, immoral, and UNJUST war. In fact he said plenty in favor of their right to a Government of their own choosing - free of our input. Don't make me go find it all. Ho Chi Mihn was a big follower of Jefferson - educated in the US. Wrote letters to TRUMAN, that went unanswered.

The UN has no RIGHT to dictate what occurs in any given country - save but with their consent. OTHERWISE the UN is in charge EVERYWHERE (meaning US - because we use it how and WHEN we want - and IGNORE what we don't like).

And the Secret War in Laos and Cambodia stepped up because of OUR presence - not prior to the GULF OF 9/11 incident.

Francis Boyle - J.D. PhD. Is NO CULT leader - AN EXPERT on LAW - unlike yourself.

Paul Craig Roberts was in the Reagan administration, if recall correctly, so you SHOULD BE ON THE SAME TEAM. Also a writer used by Alex Jones...so just a WHISPER away from the current presidency.
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"Don't make me go find it all. Ho Chi Mihn was a big follower of Jefferson - educated in the US. Wrote letters to TRUMAN, that went unanswered."
WRONG! He was a follower of Marx, Lenin and Stalin! He was also a member of the French Communist Party in the 1920's when the Viet Quoc (who were the originators of the South Vietnamese government). In 1930, he split off his piece to form the Indochinese Communist Party. From there he acted like he wanted to team up with the Viet Quoc to kick the French out, but spent more time attacking them instead, only for all parties to be interrupted by the Japanese takeover!

"And the Secret War in Laos and Cambodia stepped up because of OUR presence - not prior to the GULF OF 9/11 incident."
That's a GO***MN LIE, and you've obviously mixed up the Gulf of Tonkin incident with the 9/11 attacks! Ho Chi Minh DID in fact support the Pathet Lao and Khmer Rouge after Laos and Cambodia were liberated from the French, because he wanted to expand communism there as well. Also he DID invade Laos in 1953 and 1958 because he wanted an all-communist Indochina! That was all he cared about!

"Francis Boyle - J.D. PhD. Is NO CULT leader"
He's an enemy sympathizer who uses legal wrangling to make our enemies seem innocent, when they're not.

"Paul Craig Roberts was in the Reagan administration, if recall correctly,"
So what? He's still a traitorous conspiracy freak.I've seen the website to his cult that he tries to make look like a legitimate academic organization. It's pure bullshit, not matter how it looks to gullible saps like you!
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So .. you disagree, lie (false ad hominems)and DENY. I already knew that.

Mr. Boyle is not the ONLY scholar with a higher reverence for the LAW than "political (in)correctness" - here - used properly, where crypto-fascists (and OVERT ones like yourself) use it as a perjoritive substitute for 'lawfully reverent and sane'.

The Historical record on Ho Chi Mihn disagrees with you. As does history generally. Because you spout Fascist lies and revisionism at every turn. Yes he was member of that Anti-colonialist party. Yes they believed in Marx and Lenin. But he WAS educated here. He did LOVE JEFFERSON as much as FASCISTS HATE JEFFERSON. So, go worship Hamilton and continue to misunderstand Adam Smith. But don't bother getting into the weeds with INDOCHINESE history - I suppose as some grizzled Nam 'er you must be an expert at SOMETHING - aside from.IGNORING ATROCITIES - like the TORTUE AND MURDER of millions by your fascist buddies...whether we're talking about Free-Fire Zones, TIGER TEAMS and Tiger cages (built by Kellogg Brown and Root), or what the Chilean Nazis did to Victor Jara, Orlando Letelier, and countless others.

The borders of the region are Fictions created to benefit Colonial PIRATES (See HEART OF DARKNESS, Conrad / Apocalypse Now, Coppola). He and they were entitled to solve their problems however seemed best for them. The CORE of the resistance to FASCISM world-wide was COMMUNISTS (despite the unfortunate and short lived Hitler-Stalin pact - which, as many CP-USA members at the time objected, was a betrayal of ideals for political expediency [on both sides OBVIOUSLY], except that Hitler was a LIAR TOO, and like you would SAY ANYTHING to advance his agenda) that didn't even work out for the safety of Russia.

You boring to me. My knuckles are sore from your thick skull. What's holding you up? You were beat AGES ago. Evolve a little, or go EXTINCT like Dinosaurs and FASCISTs ALWAYS will. Unfortunately the authoritarian personality type never disappears FOREVER. See CONSERVATIVES WITHOUT CONSCIENCE, by John Dean (which I know that some would argue includes him...but I don't push away 'false defector' suspects. I observe them.

Anyways looks like you're still trying to win the struggle agaist the poor and powerless - on behalf of Billionaires, who'll watch you go down with folks that you're foolin' - and LAUGH.

So unless I see something worth respinding to...I'm OUT. I'D like to apllogize to Jessica - for my part...I didn't want this to happen.
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Always remember our government did that. It was an inside job.
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Always remember that the people who accuse the government of doing this are liars and traitors! It was an Islamist job!
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Though we may disagree upon the nature of things....I certainly respect you, your meme and the sentiments expressed. I TRIED to NOT say anything at all. And I waited til the 12th in ANY event....but I said 1 or 2 snarky thingz...and then I got hooked. I'm a broadcaster by nature and trade....so sometimes I CAN'T bite my tongue when I should...I wish I had seen what this would become. I did not want your page to look like this. That said....if you care to peer into my heart...I wear jt on my sleeve, generally. And I would NEVER knowingly say something untrue. So my apology to you.

I appreciate your hospitality and understanding (if I may have it) - certainly your IMPECCABLE MANNERS. You are - buena gente.

I tried to make something here that all could agree with.

Unpopular as the speaker is...it will receive few upvotes in all likelihood. I have been upvote bombing you and everyone speaking - anything but Jingoistic insanity. Even a little bit of that where I could. I don't on hate anyone, nor expect everyone to do their own research...it would be ideal, but I'm pragmatic.
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I understand that anything I put on this site, anyone can see. They can take it how they want. Funny, positive, negative. Not everyone has the same viewpoints and this meme was really just meant to be a memorial. People are going to respond in their own ways. I also know that people are passionate about certain things. No hard feelings from me.
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Sincerely.
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https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/JINSAandCSP.html

You can make a A MUCH STRONGER argument for ISRAEL and the GWB Precedential Book Thingy.....or PNAC headquarters...or Dick Cheney's house...

Iranis SHIITE. AlQaeda is Wahabi Salafist Sunni. They DO NOT get along. A d since our terrorist guerilla warfare against Iran really ramped up as a result of it...they probably celebrate 9/11 the way decent Chileans do...as a day of dread.
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Dude, nobody here is blaming Iran or Iraq for 9/11. It was strictly Al-Qaeda, not Israel, not Bush, not Cheney, not PNAC, and not Clinton.
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Bush actually did and has....and Pastor Hagee and Xhristian Zionists sure seem to believe it.

I wish you could see how silly that sounds...ever heard of AlQaeda-Gate?....before the GOP decided on a stained blue dress...some freshman back-benchers brandished that weapon (the fact that Clinton aided the KLA - which are fundis trained in Afghan campz by the CIA - same as AlQaeda.

Best case scenario for your side is BLOWBACK from IRANCONTRA/AFGHAN re-supply mission....but that OVERLOOKS all kinds of evidence of DIRECT ties between Osama and US intelligence.

Look at the transcripts for the Cole Bombing Indictment. His Lawyer is from Allam Dulles Law firm...Sullivan & Cromwell.

Immediately following the EVENTS if 9/11/2001 - Dick Cheney went on with Tim Russert and when questioned about the sure connection between "AlQaeda" (whatever you think that is) and 9/11. He promised a WHITE PAPER. When did the White House issue that?

The Afghans asked for an Indictment and Warrant. We said trust us and send him out (as if they COULD, would or should have....under the circumstances) we simply invaded their Country - and now have declared that we aren't leaving...oh and we'll be STEALING anything we feel like mining there, too.

I don't BLAME ISRAEL - but "the Men from Jinsa"? They don't get a pass. Nor Zbig Brzynsky, nor his PNAC proteges...
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Load of crap. There are ZERO ties between the CIA and Al-Qaeda, and no relevance at all to the Iran-Contra Scandal. The only so-called connection was that OBL used to be a supporter of the Afghan Mujahadeen before Al-Qaeda existed. The Taliban were NEVER going to do anything about Al-Qaeda, because they were allies. The false promise of turning him over with a warrant was a RUSE, just like the one they made to turn him over to "an Islamic country" afterwards. They tried that shit when OBL attacked our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and when they attacked us on 9/11, Bush decided he wasn't going to take that shit. We're not staying to steal anything or mine anything... unless you count members of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda who are still causing shit in the region!
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For someone with 0 background, understanding, or research, to support you...you sure TALK like an expert.

You ever do any INTELLIGENCE work? You seem to LOVE Daniel PIPES...do you know his father, Richard?

I won't bother looking for all the ties...you admit the popular legend of the origin. The US DREW Russia into Afghanistan - according to your Godfather - Zbig B. He began the insugency which caused the invasion...so there is more to the plan than you know or can acknowledge, seemingly.

Your counter-insurgency creates 3 for every 1 that it kills. You ain't leaving. And the rare earth mines that Trump is talking about opening? Is that an indigenousus project then? Or like the booming opium trade - as US operation, with local hands?

So now Afghanistan is OURS to SECURE? Oh right...the puppet that rules Kabul asked us.. Too bad he don't rule in Khandahar....Cause there...the locals regard us an a foreign occupying invader. Enough to make good folks WANT to take up arms...

You regurgitate every lie you're fed and deny every truth/proof that you're shown...ENOUGH OF YOU - I SAY. Go find Dick Cheney...stand on his shoulders...yoi taste level still won't reach my waist level...
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That's because I still have the ability to detect bullshit from phony "research."

"The US DREW Russia into Afghanistan - according to your Godfather - Zbig B."
Load of crap. The people of Afghanistan were pissed at their Soviet puppet dictatorship's transformation of the country.

"Your counter-insurgency creates 3 for every 1 that it kills."
And I suppose you think sitting on our asses and doing nothing has the opposite effect? Well too bad, because you're wrong! Al-Qaida grew throughout the Muslim World during the Clinton Administration, who did very little until they attacked us in Kenya and Tanzania!

"Or like the booming opium trade - as US operation, with local hands?"
Tell that to the opium dealer for the Taliban from Afghanistan we busted at JFK Airport!

"So now Afghanistan is OURS to SECURE? Oh right...the puppet that rules Kabul asked us.. "
You only THINK they're puppet rulers, because they're not the Islamo-fascist friends of Osama Bin Laden, and genocidal destroyer of non-Muslim Afghans that ran the country before!!

"....Cause there...the locals regard us an a foreign occupying invader"
"The Locals" have been manipulated and threatened by the Taliban and Al-Qaida, who used to make them live in constant fear.

"You regurgitate every lie you're fed and deny every truth/proof that you're shown..."
No, that's what you twoofers do!!
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