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YOU DON'T GO TO CHURCH BECAUSE OF ALL THE HYPOCRITES? THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR ONE MORE! | image tagged in father ted,memes,church,hypocrisy | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Pretty much. :)
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BUT YOU JUDGE THE BIBLE BY WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS AND EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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But Thats None Of My Business Meme | I'M A RECOVERING HYPOCRITE I EVEN HAVE THE T SHIRT TO PROVE IT | image tagged in memes,but thats none of my business,kermit the frog | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
True story!! I have a t-shirt that says "Recovering Hypocrite" across the front. It's actually one of my church t-shirts! Has our churches logo on it.
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Yeah. I think I understand where you're coming from.
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I grew tired of how Jesus was more politicized as one who cares more about whether or not I am masturbating while Churches lobbied efforts to legislate morality about one's sexuality and who they can marry. On the other hand, where is the push for church members to offer food, aid, and support for the downtrodden members of society? Oh, they don't tithe? F*** 'em.

(Yes, I am a seminary graduate with a Master of Divinity. Therefore, I have been to church... a few times)
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I'm also a seminary student, studying to become a pastor. The hypocrisy on the left and right is appalling to me. They use the Bible to justify their own ends rather than seeking the truth. In all, I feel the same way you do. It seems Christians today have forgotten to love, above all, God first, and "love your neighbor as you love yourself." Conveniently, it's easier to hate than it is to love. *Sigh*. Oh, humanity!
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As for my experience with churches and seminary, I was expelled from my Ph.D. in Christian Education because I filed for a "no-fault" divorce with my wife who I had zero business ever marrying in the first place. Before I was even in my first class, I had been told by the seminary president that he would have denied my acceptance despite having earned my Master of Divinity from the same seminary.

(To put this into context, my father died less than five months after my divorce/expulsion were official and the faculty of the Seminary wouldn't go so far as send their convalescences only to tell me that I was no longer welcome)

In truth, I attend church with my fiancee and her daughter, but I have zero regrets walking away from Theology/Chuch leadership after eight years.

Minor note, what are your areas of focus?

I specialized in Textual Criticism (e.g., OT Pseudepigrapha and Authorial Intent) and "Comparative Religious Analysis" (e.g., Hundreds of religions, denominations, and separatist factions) along with writing about The Social Gospel (under Walter Rauschenbusch).
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Since I'm entering the pastoral ministry in the United Methodist Church, my ministry would focus on awareness of mental illness, especially behavioral and anxiety-realted disorders. As a person who suffers with Asperger's Syndrome, I feel called to minister to people who feel like they suffer and don't see a way out when God showed me that there's always a way to endure suffering and not hate yourself. I'm also studying Pauline theology and looking into envirornmental philosophy.
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You need to talk to a few people on this site...
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Well, by Bible logic, If you had to work on a Sunday (for whatever reason), you'd be stoned to death (not 10guy stoned, as in pelted with rocks until you died)
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Sunday is considered the "Lord's Day," and not associated with the Sabbath (Saturday) due to how Jesus' resurrection is celebrated by the weekly gathering. However, the church has never equated Sunday as Saturday (even as far bad as in the first-century due to how followers of "The Way" were all practicing Jews who believed in Christ before the name "Christians"). Or rather, I have personally never experienced those extremes in views apart from some denominations I have studied (e.g., Seventh-Day Baptists, Latter-day Saints, et al. as referring to Sunday as the Sabbath).

Never read about stonings of Christians working on Sunday either.
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Out of curiosity, where did saturday come from? I didn't mention it...
As for the stoning, I read a passage about that, but I may have confused it for another "crime". However, the point is still the same, for there are many terrible "punishments" for "crimes" (ex. witchcraft) in the bible. This is why I am not a Christian. For if a benevolent, omnipotent God loved humanity, then why would he punish them in terrible, torturous ways?
I really don't want to get into a religious debate. It's been years since I read even a snippet of the Bible, but my views on religion (I believe that science is right, and religion is not) will not change.
Interesting facts about the topic though, that deserves an upvote. :)
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You cited the Biblical argument for "not working on the Sabbath," which is Saturday (Not Sunday) and a Jewish argument against resting on the day Yhwh rested on the Sabbath.

I was merely was drawing the distinction between both days seeing as how you implied that Christians viewed them as synonymous, which Christian doctrine doesn't at any point in the New Testament. ;)

However, you're right that Christians have tortured, but not for doing things on Sunday.
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But the Christian use of Sunday as their "sabbath" is at least in part derived from the Jewish Sabbath (on Saturday). There are differences in how the two religions observe it, but there are similarities, too.
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1. Jesus defended his disciples' actions of gathering food by plucking grain on the Sabbath (Mk. 2:23; Matt. 12:1);

2. When determining the requirements for Gentiles who later accepted the Gospel, the Jerusalem Council (under Christian Apostolic leadership including Paul, Peter, James, Barnabas, et al.) concluded that Gentiles were not required to live under the strict observances of the Jewish covenants to become followers of Christ (cf. Acts 15:1-35). Thereby removing our strict adherence of honoring the Sabbath to avoid "death by stoning" as you wrongfully stated in your earlier comment;

3. Paul wrote that "no day was greater than the next" (cf. Romans 14:5) thereby removing a requirement for Christians to strictly adhere to honoring the Sabbath instead of avoiding a fatal sentence;

4. In Church History, the reason why Catholicism removed observing church attendance on Saturday was to no longer associate or compare with the practitioners of Judaism. There was not a redefinition of Sabbath; nor did the church execute people for not attending their congregation apart from publicly condemning those "outside of the grace of the Church."

In context, the reason why I mentioned "Saturday" in referencing the Sabbath was to distinguish church attendance with observing Jewish practices. Christians use both the Old and New Testaments to formulate their doctrine whereas Judaism (historically) has differed on which Canonical authorities they defer to the Torah, Wisdom Literature, Major/Minor Prophets, et al. although they acknowledge the Mishnah, Talmud, Midrash, Halakhah, Kabbalah, Liturgy, et al. (for their scriptural authority).

I do not care what you believe about this topic, but please understand that if you make a declarative statement concerning "Christians stoning those who do not honor the Sabbath," you really cannot expect me not to speak up when this was my specialty for nearly a decade.

In fact, I promise you that more people have died during the Bowling Green Massacre than have ever died (under mainstream Christianity) for not honoring the Sabbath (instead of church attendance).
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Thank you for filling in the blanks, all who have responded. I appreciate all knowledge. It is an eye opener. :)
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Raven14, there are many books written about your question, but the simple answer is that a benevolent God gives us free will because to do otherwise would not be benevolent. As for your science quote, religion and science are absolutely compatible. There are quite a few TED talks on that. I challenge you to challenge your beliefs. When we open ourselves up to different beliefs and opinions, that's when we grow.
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The Old Testament was written before Jesus Christ was sent by God to atone for our sins. What was practiced by the Jews in the Old Testament is not practiced since Christ died for our sins.
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I might go with him.. even though I'm an atheist as well.. I just like being with him. <3
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Always willing to lend an ear! LOL
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Ah. I'm talking about a friend at school.
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Lol, I mean in sentence structure. Someone who goes to "church" who happens to be an atheist.
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Oh. Lol! :3
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Probably might! :3
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We're all growing too!
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the difference is people that go to the gym are only trying change themselves. while 90% of church goers are always trying to convert non-believers.
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I was raised a Presbyterian in a fairly liberal and open-minded church. I left the faith because science had better explanations for what I saw around me. That said, I do respect the teachings of Jesus as a great teacher, but nowadays all I see are people interpreting those teachings solely for their own secular purposes.
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Amen. We have to uplift one another and pray for one another.
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We're all sinners, so not going to church because of that is not an option
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Fat people at the gym aim to improve

Greedy people at church aim to sate their greed through convincing people to pay them for forgiveness

Neither is a hypocrite
But I'll let you decide which one has a better set of morals
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