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If a man assaults his wife, he'll be charged and punished more severely than if he beat up another guy. If you murder a police officer, you'll be charged and punished more severely than if you murder your neighbor or boss. The fact is, the victim's status does affect how the crime is charged.
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5 ups, 2 replies
what about douchebags who beat their kids? they go scot free because it's all legal in the name of "discipline"
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5 ups, 1 reply
Well if it's abuse, then yeah they need to be dealt with, but I know every time I got my assignment whooped I had it coming
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3 ups, 1 reply
Yeah I don't like getting my assignments whooped either.
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2 ups
^
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4 ups
Very true
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2 ups, 3 replies
A man that hits a woman should be taken to the land fill and summarily shot, and left where they fall like so much garbage.
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3 ups, 1 reply
same with parents who whoop their kids "Assignments" lol. You didn't have it coming. You had parents with short tempers. Huge difference.
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I had two ways to discipline my children: spanking or lecturing. They preferred the spanking.

Even when I did spank them, I had very strict, personal rules about that that I gleaned as a boy from the "Board of Education" in the principal's office.

1: bare handed. Belt or paddle offered no feedback and could have done irreparable harm.
2: limit, 3 seats on the bottom. The first to let them know the spanking started, the second to let them know they were in the middle of the punishment, the third SWAT to let them know it was over. Time involved:<60 seconds.

I didn't rely on spanking, though. My preferred method was "the lecture". Depending on how angry I was, they got it immediately, or were sent to their room until I cooled down. Either way, they hated it. In a recent Facebook discussion, a friend took me to task about spanking my children when they were young. They immediately jumped in and said the spankings were their preferred punishment over the lectures. I never raised my voice during the lectures, but they always knew that there was a lot of anger underneath my calm voice. My grandkids have seen me when they've incurred my wrath, and they love the fact that I don't hit them like their fathers did and go out of their way to avoid my displeasure: even my surly teen grandkids.

Oh, forgot, for minor infractions, I fold them to hide their nose in the corner and that I didn't want to see if. While they did that, they were go think what they'd done.

Did it work? I never had to bail them out of jail, never had them cone home drunk, or any number of other scenarios other parents experienced.
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Hey that's good to hear. If it "worked" in the sense that they've never commited crimes or engaged in risky behaviour (as far as you know) then good for you. There's already a century's worth of research indicating that spanking is harmful to childhood development and makes for increased aggression when they get older, making them more likely to also hit their kids or even their spouses later on in life.

You can do whatever you want, I don't know you personally and don't have to have a personal or economical relationship with you to function in this world. So I'm not gonna be one to tell you that what you did was wrong and if you say your kids were well behaved then I'll take your word for it.

What I will say is that there are ever evolving parenting techniques that don't require hitting children or even aggressing over them in any way. Yelling apparently can sometimes be worse than hitting because it puts them into a vigilant mindset not knowing when they'll be attacked, whereas once the hitting ends, they know it has ended.

If you're old enough to have grandparents, I get it. You're from a generation where it was much more acceptable as well as suggested, almost as much as it was suggested in the papers for men to hit their wives. Personally for me though, I'd like to live in a world where children are reasoned with and do not have to live in fear to be moral agents in the world. They lack a lot of IQ and empathy, but I think it can be taught to them with more peaceful means.
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3 ups
True
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There is a large difference between assaults involving people of established relationships (as in a man-vs-wife or man-vs-police) and altercations where you have to READ THE MIND of the assailant to determine whether the crime had an aspect of racism or other hate-crime-indications. Until we have that ability (as in Minority Report) any crime committed by a (insert non-protected-category) against a (insert protected-category) will always be assumed to be a hate crime, whether or not the perpetrator was, in fact, motivated by hate. We should not add a new level of punishment to a crime because of unprovable assumptions about someone's mindset.
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I don't think hate crimes charges are added unless it can be proven that the crime was motivated by hatred toward that group. If a white guy robs a black guy at gunpoint (choosing his victim at random), and the gun goes off and kills the black guy, that is not racially motivated. Lynching a black guy because he's black IS racially motivated. If one group of people is subjected to a disproportionate amount of violence by another group, it makes sense to make punishments harsher to try and discourage violence against them. I'm not saying that it's effective at reducing crimes against them, but the idea makes sense.
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Aren't all assaults hate crimes? Saying it's worse if it's done to certain type of individual marginalizes everyone else. Assault on a police officer should not have any more penalty then assault on the guy standing on the corner. They are both citizens. The problem isn't that the punishment for assaulting a police officer is higher, it's that the punishment for assaulting a guy in the street is too low. If I punch a guy in face and happen to say "Take this 4 eyes" and he wears glasses does that mean I hate ALL people that wear glasses? My Mom and brother wear glasses and I use reading glasses. A verbal slur does not a hate crime make. Crime is crime. ALL crime should be punished equally no matter the sex, race, gender, occupation or political affiliation of the victim.
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Should physically assaulting a small child have the same punishment as assaulting an adult? I don't think so. I believe assaulting a child is worse, because the child is less able to defend themselves than an adult.
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it's just not.
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SOME PEOPLE OPPOSE HATE CRIME LAWS BECAUSE THEY FEEL ALL VICTIMS SHOULD BE TREATED EQUALLY AND NOT GIVEN SPECIAL STATUS BASED ON WHO THEY ARE; WOULDN'T THAT MEAN THAT A MAN WHO BEATS UP HIS WIFE SHOULD BE CHARGED THE SAME AS IF HE BEAT UP ANOTHER MAN IN A BAR FIGHT?
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