The truth is uncomfortable, I suppose

The truth is uncomfortable, I suppose | I POINTED OUT THAT CHRISTIANS HAVE DONE MORE THAN MUSLIMS HAVE TO SUPPRESS LGBT RIGHTS IN THE UNITED STATES AND MY COMMENT GOT DOWNVOTED INT | image tagged in memes,laughing men in suits,gay rights,christian,muslim | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
well that's petty.
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:p
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Let's take your original statement, "LGBT *basic* human rights."

Anyone that owns a business can refuse service to anyone for any reason. You can't cherry pick reasons or it screws up all reasons. Basic rights of getting a cake? Or what, basic rights of getting married? Every church regardless of denomination can refuse to marry whoever they want *for any reason*. The government has already agreed to legally marry anyone to anyone as long as age permitting and they aren't already married. Everyone should they so desire can already use whatever bathroom they want, but again if it's in a school or whatever, that's a state and federal issue, nothing to do with Christians.

So what *basic human rights* are *Christians* suppressing? Please be specific. What basic function exactly is there that the LGBT community literally cannot do because of Christians.
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Many Christians oppose ENDA (the Employment Non-Discrimination Act). They want it to be legal to deny someone a job simply for being LGBT, or fire them if they are already employed. Having a means of self-support (i.e. a job) is a basic human right. Denying someone a job simply for being gay means you are making it harder, if not impossible for them to make money for basic things like food and housing. And housing is another example. Many Christians want to be able to legally deny a gay person housing. Shelter is a basic human right, is it not? Denying a gay person a wedding cake is one thing, but there are a lot of Christians in this country that want to deny them even basic things like employment and housing. That's not okay with me. I oppose employment and housing discrimination based on religion, and I oppose employment and housing discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity. When I said basic rights, I wasn't talking about seemingly trivial things like a wedding cake. I was talking about having a job or an apartment. Gay marriage is now legal in this country, but that doesn't mean the battle is over. There are many Christians that are doing everything in their power to get that reversed. They don't want gay marriage to be legal. They don't want things like civil partnerships to be legal. They don't want a gay person to be able to visit their partner in the hospital or be added to their health insurance or anything that straight married couples enjoy. And they don't want gay couples to be able to adopt children. To put it bluntly, they want LGBT people to be treated as second-class citizens. That's my opinion and my belief, and I won't sit by idly and just watch it happen.
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Okay I see employment, adoption, and housing.

Employment: LGBT have the same rights as everyone else under employment federal law. So I don't understand this one.

Adoption: In terms of adoption, it looks like some states allow it and some haven't caught up with the 2015 marriage ruling yet but that it's in process. Looks like a law thing as adoption agencies all have to be licensed with the state and one of three government departments. This one will be solved in court soon enough and I didn't see anything calling out who may be discriminating against who here.

Housing: There are housing discrimination laws at the local, state, and federal level. Looks like a law thing again.

I didn't see anything specifically calling out Christians or really anybody for that matter. Just an, "if it happens, here's which law to refer to." It looks like adoption is lagging behind but even that has multiple state and federal departments to refer to.

These are local, state, and federal laws to protect everyone from discrimination. The same issues you bring up in regards to discrimination, anyone can be discriminated against. It isn't specific to LGBT and there isn't a conspiracy from Christians. That's why the laws are written broadly, to protect everyone.
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I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but there is a concerted effort among conservative Christians to prevent the LGBT community from having these legal protections.

It's true that there are now laws preventing housing and employment discrimination based on sexual orientation, but those laws only passed after much (and I do mean much) resistance and opposition from conservative Christian groups like the American Family Association, Family Research Council, Focus on the Family (starting to notice a pattern?), etc. If these groups had their way, those laws (including ENDA) would drop protection for LGBT people in a heartbeat.

I forgot to mention the military. Until Don't Ask Don't Tell was repealed, gay people couldn't even serve openly in the military. That's another example of LGBT discrimination that has no real purpose or benefit.

Every attempt to protect LGBT people from discrimination gets stonewalled (no pun intended) by conservative Christians.
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There's nothing you brought to the discussion that isn't covered already by state and federal laws. Military, same thing. Federal laws. We're all covered under the same discrimination rules and offered the same protections. You can cherry-pick lobby groups that don't agree with your point of view, but at the end of the day the laws are still in place to protect all of us.
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My point was that those lobby groups are actively working to undo or repeal those very laws that protect LGBT people.
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I'm sorry, I thought your point was what your prior couple of memes said, which is that Christians have done more than Muslims to suppress LGBT basic rights.

So now you're clarifying that your point to something has been something entirely different. Glad we could sort this out. Yep there are definitely lobby groups for just about everything that could possibly exist since that's how government works.

Good talk as always!
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I have a different point of view being conservative myself, but I wouldn't downvote. I don't think one can compare how Christians suppress LGBT rights more than Muslims in the United States due to the huge difference of the percentage that each group represents in the US population. In 2015 about 70.6% of the US population identified themselves as a Christian. While only about 1% identified themselves as a Muslim. (source: Pew Research)
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Your point about the population difference is true. If it were flipped around and Muslims were 70% of the population, I would be complaining more about their faults than the faults of Christians or other religious minorities.
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Just let them take it in, sometimes knowing the truth is half the battle.
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:D true!
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